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Update Factions - Help us with the next update! | February the 18th 2021
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Personal Opinion on how normal factions should be is MAKE IT NORMAL... don't add in any godly items that would shift normal factions from its original style. For example, only add in items/plugins that would increase the chance for players to get armor/spawners/money/xp or any normal items that would not intervene with the competition too much. The reason custom enchant was able to get so much hate and want to be discarded because it's easily obtainable since there are power factions that are very efficient and this is a crack server so there would be a lot of hackers, they can just use autoclickers to get custom armor they need. Another reason is custom enchant is too op, it has stun, slowness everything within it, if the opponent isn't wearing custom armor like the user, its an easy win, and the user can even take on multiple normal armor players easily without a scratch making it very unbalance within the game mode.
Personal Things I Think Should Change/Added:
-Increase kits cooldown (the higher the rank and longer the cooldown) :
The reason is donators have too much stuff, so the first thing staff should do is to restrict the advantages donators have making the gap between donators and non-donators decrease.
*The benefit is:
Prevent donators from getting killed and immediately get quick armor easily, this would motivate them to either grind for their gear or wait for their armor kit cooldown making the game mode more active.
Motivate non-donators to play against donators as donators would not be that much op as before with infinite armor.
-Increase spawners drop-rate (When Raiding) :
I have posted this before on the OP-Factions suggestions before, but the staff does not seem to fully understand what I mean.
As the title says itself make spawners drop more frequently because when raiding a base with spawners, the drop rate for spawners is like 1/10 drop rate.
*The benefit is :
By adding increase drop-rate it would motivate players to commit to raiding more often. Most players only afk in their base and grind away for money or just go pvp. If this is how Factions is supposed to be like, it would be better by combining it with KitPvp.
(How I wanted this suggestion to be implemented: Create a custom item (like a pickaxe or stick) that would enable players to pick up claimed area spawners, from mining them like a normal block or standing still waiting for it to be dropped (the staff can decide)).
P.S. ( Allowing players mining spawners in claimed bases other than their own factions have already been implemented in other servers, and it was very effective, this can enhance the number of ways to gain rich in the competition other than through ranks or relying on strong factions to reach the goal. )
-Decrease creeper blast damage or radius (or disable Creeper Damage on Spawners)
People know that creepers can blow spawners off, and that's how people are raiding spawners as of right now. However, the explosion caused by the creeper is too OP, they are able to bypass spawners covered by obsidian to break the spawners. This damage is causing players to not want to place spawners down because neither how they protect the spawners, it would not work, and it would get raided no matter what. This influence would shift Factions from its original looks. People would say, why don't people just pick up the spawners as they log off. Well, if u play saw OP-Factions the staff have implemented spawners tax, which means if u mine the spawner, u would need to pay some amount of money to pick it up. Then it would be a better choice to not use spawners and use farm instead.
*The Benefit is:
Enable players to build more proper bases in Factions to protect their spawners
Combing with the previous suggestion of adding in increased spawners rate through the use of custom items can motivate players to be more active throughout the server by having raids to be more profitable.
Personal Things I Think Should Change/Added:
-Increase kits cooldown (the higher the rank and longer the cooldown) :
The reason is donators have too much stuff, so the first thing staff should do is to restrict the advantages donators have making the gap between donators and non-donators decrease.
*The benefit is:
Prevent donators from getting killed and immediately get quick armor easily, this would motivate them to either grind for their gear or wait for their armor kit cooldown making the game mode more active.
Motivate non-donators to play against donators as donators would not be that much op as before with infinite armor.
-Increase spawners drop-rate (When Raiding) :
I have posted this before on the OP-Factions suggestions before, but the staff does not seem to fully understand what I mean.
As the title says itself make spawners drop more frequently because when raiding a base with spawners, the drop rate for spawners is like 1/10 drop rate.
*The benefit is :
By adding increase drop-rate it would motivate players to commit to raiding more often. Most players only afk in their base and grind away for money or just go pvp. If this is how Factions is supposed to be like, it would be better by combining it with KitPvp.
(How I wanted this suggestion to be implemented: Create a custom item (like a pickaxe or stick) that would enable players to pick up claimed area spawners, from mining them like a normal block or standing still waiting for it to be dropped (the staff can decide)).
P.S. ( Allowing players mining spawners in claimed bases other than their own factions have already been implemented in other servers, and it was very effective, this can enhance the number of ways to gain rich in the competition other than through ranks or relying on strong factions to reach the goal. )
-Decrease creeper blast damage or radius (or disable Creeper Damage on Spawners)
People know that creepers can blow spawners off, and that's how people are raiding spawners as of right now. However, the explosion caused by the creeper is too OP, they are able to bypass spawners covered by obsidian to break the spawners. This damage is causing players to not want to place spawners down because neither how they protect the spawners, it would not work, and it would get raided no matter what. This influence would shift Factions from its original looks. People would say, why don't people just pick up the spawners as they log off. Well, if u play saw OP-Factions the staff have implemented spawners tax, which means if u mine the spawner, u would need to pay some amount of money to pick it up. Then it would be a better choice to not use spawners and use farm instead.
*The Benefit is:
Enable players to build more proper bases in Factions to protect their spawners
Combing with the previous suggestion of adding in increased spawners rate through the use of custom items can motivate players to be more active throughout the server by having raids to be more profitable.
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Yo legit no ones reading that
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Just a few questions about some suggestions u posted.
17) Even if a player can find a base, are they able to raid it or how much profit can they get out of it from the overall value of the base.
6) Wasnt those kits being bought by players is due to the item that was included, neft the kit would only make it lose its value. Does not that consider somewhat a scam?
9) Would not allowing pot buying in pvp makes the pvp time dramatically to the extent that players wouldn't until they ran out of armor or gapple?
10 + 19) If u see 15+ players (active) it is still a lot of players, Adding a new section for alts would just make factions even bigger and bypass factions member limits. (they can use add in active players in to disguise as alts to bypass factions auto kick)
Thats all I have to say about the suggestions posted for now.
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potting in water is do-able however it is hard because throwing a pot in water is like shooting an arrow in the water, very slow. So items like gapples is needed within the gamemode to increase survival rate or else players can just win purely through numbers.
If u say it is easy to win a 1v2+ through gapple pvp, that is actually really hard as pots are limited in the inv. The opponents can just go in taking turns wasting their pots and eventually that solo player would lose by running out of healing.
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17. What you said here doesn't seem to be relevant does it? If you find a base and you think you can't raid it or you think it isn't worth the effort then sell coords to someone who will find it worth the effort. Issue on last OP Factions map was that people would place value only for payouts and in most cases it was 1x1 claim. So that means you and your faction can spend whole day flying all words hoping to find them.
6. Gkit keys wouldn't be nerfed, you just wouldn't get full potential of it first 2 or 3 weeks. That needs to be added as it makes too big difference between donators and non donators. For example for OP Factions it can be as it is, it can stay OP but for normal factions that would be too extreme as it is much harder to obtain items on there.
9. That is normal, if you ever pvped on for example OP Factions you would know. People bring 5+ sets in pvp and you pvp until you run out of sets. Buying potions in combat wouldn't make big difference. Either that or making potions last longer as it is on OP Factions where potions last 10min, so there isn't a need of buying more potions.
10 + 19. There isn't any factions which can pull that on Pika. Example of it was OP Factions, I owned the biggest faction and we barely had 10 active people trough the map. Point of /f alts is to gain power and have accounts for AFKing without needing to kick members from the faction. If you ever played Factions you would know sometimes you need lot of alts to AFK something and with member limit you can't have players work on base and have alts afk in the same time. Example is cane farms(proper cane farms can go from border to border cross map so think about it how many alts would be needed for that).
You should visit a cliff and do smth
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10 + 19) You don't seem to understand what I said about the /f alt system. I know that u want it to be implemented in order to increase the amount of power that factions can hold, but couldn't they take advantage of the system for unable to be kicked in /f alt and get too much power. In OP-Factions, due to those power factions having too much power and no overclaiming, they overusing the amount of power claim they had. In addition, having alts inside of faction and preventing them from being kicked is the responsibility of the factions to keep them in. If they aren't able to do that, then it would be better not to use alt.
17) Then I would like to ask a question to you, from the bases that you have raided, how much percentage of the overall value did u get from that one base raid. If it is less than half the overall value of the base that u got from it, then what is the purpose of finding the base and raiding them. People that buy base cords are mostly people with a lot of money already. They raid bases only for the fun and not for profit. This way it would only benefits the donators and not the non-donators as in both raiding and grinding donators got a more superior lead. Then what is the purpose of building a base or even playing the game for the non-donators when there's someone that has absolute power over them?
9) If PVP becomes that way it would be a battle that would be beneficial to the donators (or people with more money), they can just constantly buy pots and not die. They could keep one or two-rows of pots in their inv with the rest filled with armor and enter PVP. Whenever they ran out of pots they can just buy more pots in combat to refill the missing slots. Looking from a perspective non-donator, does non-donator have the resources to go against donators in pvp?
17) Base on what u said, then it would be better to disable Gkits for the few starting weeks because what's Op GKit keys isn't the keys themselves but the items that can be gotten from them. If the staff can disable the obtain of these keys in the starting weeks, it would have a better effect of allowing non-donators and donators to have an equal race at the start of the game. Only locking part of its GKit does not have an overall matter to the situation as Donators can still get more items from the crates than non-donators.
(Also pls don't say it like I have not play factions before, if I don't play factions I doubt I would be commenting. (Im just pointing out what I see as Im playing throughout the game))
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Hi sir. The current cooldown - 1 day - is perfect. I don't think it should be changed. IT ISN'T 30 minutes like Op Factions.
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No. There are various ways someone can enter a base illegally (with using hacks) and there would be no proof for a rollback if someone mines spawners illegally. So, NO.
Do NOT add this. Please. Creeper eggs exist you know.
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If you have ever played/seen premium servers, you can see a lot of examples of /f alts and why it is needed. making it 15/20 man faction doesn't mean all of them would be online. Plus, the roster size will be big so we have to rotate people. No place for alts. If you want to say that players should afk, then no. Players got more stuff to do too. And /f alts don't have the same perms as members. Their perms are limited and they are allowed only to afk.
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But in other servers, they have a different setup like allowing overclaiming bases, having overclaiming can prevent factions from abusing their power and use their land power wisely. However, since the staff denied insiding, overclaiming, and added shield it made the gamemode easier. It turned the game mode into whoever the most populated the biggest. I did say if players want to use alts, it is their responsibility to keep them in there. And what can a player do in Factions other than pvp and afk. From what I have seen in factions, not a lot of people commit to raiding as it is hard to find one ( if people do not commit to doing it ) and it is not profitable from the amount that can be gained from it compared to raiding pvping and afking at spawners comes in with more profit efficiency. ( In other words, /f alts is not needed.)
Well, just for the reason that this is not OP-Factions, that is why cooldown may be more necessary because unlike OP-Factions, the gear in OP-Factions does not have too much difference, it only goes into whoever has the most gear to pvp in combat. However, in Normal Factions that is different because using a P3 diamond armor and P4 diamond armor have a big difference in the amount of damage taken throughout the combat. By increasing the cooldown, it would allow non-donators to have more chances in PvP and enable Donator to have more things to do like grinding for their gear rather than afking for their gear (Making the server more active).
I did say in the other comment as to why I dislike creeper eggs to raid bases/spawners (continue reading that comment). I never said it has to be gained through mining it, but add in a more effective way to raid spawners other than using creeper eggs. If the players worry about glitch mining, they could just block off the spawners with Obsidian making it a bit harder for both glitches and raiders. The balance between raiding and grinding is very slanted towards grinding, making players coming midway into the game having no chances. Promoting raiding can enable players to gain value quicker and break the iron rule of whoever with more walls stays on Top;
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Another suggestion:
-Disable Spawner Stacking.
Everyone has been very mad as to people hiding their spawners in Pv until the payout time and placing it down at the last minute. Disabling it from being stacked up like a regular block of 64 and turning it like a flint and steel which could only be stacked up as one. This way it can decrease the amount of spawners players can keep in their Pv and decrease the Value they can hide away.
-Disable Spawner Stacking.
Everyone has been very mad as to people hiding their spawners in Pv until the payout time and placing it down at the last minute. Disabling it from being stacked up like a regular block of 64 and turning it like a flint and steel which could only be stacked up as one. This way it can decrease the amount of spawners players can keep in their Pv and decrease the Value they can hide away.
stop commenting faction topics
Thanks in advance!
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@WeAreFamily Based on all comments you posted here it can be seen you have never played Factions on Pika.
When I said alts are getting kicked out of faction I meant they get rotated out. By that I want to say that when a faction has limit(lets say 10 people) which are active there is no room for alts in the faction. When someone goes offline you rotate another active person in(person which went offline gets kicked and new person gets invited), basically that is how rotation works. So in first week(s) you need alts to AFK but in same time you need active people IN THE FACTION to do useful faction related stuff which are needed to be done. No one mentioned alts getting kicked due to them not being logged on so get your facts clear. I won't even comment on the rest of stuff you posted as you are clearly lacking knowledge in that area.
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The description of that system is unclear to me, are u saying if an alt goes offline it will get kicked immediately? If that is the case then what is the purpose of having that System?
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Anyway, let's (all) stop arguing about the suggestions. I just want to ask an overall idea of how do u guys think is the way to balance out the difference between Donators and non-Donator in (normal) Factions? My overall idea is the problem that caused the gap between Donators and non-Donators is due to the amount of stuff the perspective group controls as Donator holding more than the opposing party. Even though Donators worked more in putting their Factions together throughout the whole map, but they also gain items in more efficiency in Armor, Tnt, Spawners, and etc... On top of that, they have a more stable growth compared to non-Donators by having more spawners to grind and armor to defend themselves or their bases. In other words, from the number of stuff Donators gains to the Factions they are in, they have a complete advantage over the non-Donator. So to decrease the gap, I feel promoting Faction raiding would be very effective as the F top leaderboard would then always change without having that few factions being on top every season. It can attract more people in as non-Donators can start to work their way to F Top without relying on the Power-Factions. It can increase the amount of playing Factions within the game making competition much more 'Havoc'.
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